Braco Pobric 0:00
Welcome to Business and happiness podcast. I'm your host, Braco Pobric edge. This episode is sponsored by life Success Academy, a place where you recreate your business and personal happiness. So today, I'm really, really excited. I have positive psychology master coach, and the founder and owner of your positive coaching. My friend, Malcolm Clark, welcome, buddy, how are you?
Malcolm Clark 0:32
Good, how are you?
Braco Pobric 0:34
I'm doing great. I'm doing great. So, you know, I wanted us to talk today about you know, it's, you know, this podcast is all about business and happiness, but it's also about your personal happiness. And I wanted us to talk about the positive psychology tools, and all the toolbox that you gained. How do they impact if so, your life and possibly even your business? And actually, you know, what did transform in your life? So what was the transformation for you first, by applying in learning first and then applying these tools? So we just discussion? So what do you think?
Malcolm Clark 1:24
Well, the tools have, they've given me if I can say, it's, it's a way in a sense of belief, because with the tools, I know that I can now deal with situations in ways that I didn't think of before. And it's, it's almost like, it's given me extra armor and extra strength along the way over from my life journey, and through what I want to achieve. So I mean, for example, where there, we've got tools for gratitudes. You know, there's, there's general ways and habits that can know that I can now use to make me happier during life. And if I'm happier, it will have a knock on effect of people that are in my immediate circle and whatnot. So it's, for me, it's feeling equipped and feeling unable to deal with day to day life in a more positive manner, which is crucial.
Braco Pobric 2:24
You know, you said something really interesting. You mentioned word belief. So how did this help you? What did change in your belief system in anything while applying, and now living these tools, if you will?
Malcolm Clark 2:44
For me, it's before I would if I say like, before, I would sort of live life and what happened happened. And I felt like there was no control over how I reacted to certain things. With the tools that I have at my disposal, so should I say it's, I realize, if I'm feeling a certain way, or certain things, I can delve into the toolbox and possibly use this or I could be more grateful for that. Or, if I've got a new challenge, what I'm not too sure how to break down, I can take it in smaller steps and get get smaller wins and smaller gains from it. So for me, it's the ability to have tools that obviously aren't physical tools, but they're tools that I can use it, which will end up making my making life easier. So it's, it's
Malcolm Clark 3:39
yes. Sorry. The Heron
Malcolm Clark 3:42
is just being a quick way of intangible tools in the tools that can't be seen, but I know they're there. And anyone who understands auras use positive psychology, or uses it in their life understands it, you're equipped with the tools that are sort of unknown to people that are unaware of positive psychology, if that makes sense.
Braco Pobric 4:03
Got it. So let's, let's mention, I'm sure they have folks who, you know, a positive psychology might be new to them. So let's mention a couple of tools that you use in your life. And how did that transform your life? So like, some blanks, if you have some specific examples, like pick out a specific tool and walk us through? How did it help you
Malcolm Clark 4:28
what the small wins or small gains is, I love it. It's it's for every new thing that comes into my life. I say every new thing or any any challenge of any sort. So
Braco Pobric 4:41
can you explain for folks who don't know what you and I know? Yeah, and a lot of our friends who went through the same course knowing the program, but can you explain for the folks that don't know what a small wins?
Malcolm Clark 4:54
Sure. Well, I like to because as you know, I'm very much into sports and sports. report on my life I like to use the example of if we were running, say, for example, trying to tackle 10k. Now, if you've never run before, or it's very new to you, you probably wouldn't want to go just straight for a 10k run. And if you
Braco Pobric 5:17
do enforce if they do for 10k, at least, you know, what do you think that would happen? So then we'll come to small wins again, what do you think if they say, you know, if I now go for 10k Run, it's probably one or two things is gonna happen? What do you think is gonna happen?
Malcolm Clark 5:33
Well, I would say if they went for 10k, one, there's a good chance that they could complete it. But it may feel like it's the worst thing, or the most daunting challenge I've ever had in their life, and they never want to do it again. Right? Or, or they might go for it, and not complete, fall short, and give up on any sort of chance of running in the future.
Braco Pobric 5:53
They love it. Love it, love it, love it. So that's exactly what's gonna happen when we take a big goal, that we are absolutely not ready for it. Right? So either we give up, or we we feel like so terrible at the end that we'll never do it again. So thanks. Thanks for explaining. I think this is really important for people. Because some people take these huge goals, and they just think they can do it not being not prepared. Just like without a muscle. So Right? We not have your body ready. How would you then recommend to do instead by using the small wins?
Malcolm Clark 6:34
With the small wins, it's if you're if this if it's a task or a goal that you're taking on by yourself, then I works. I think it's important to be realistic and grounded. So this is where I'd use grounded optimism, which is another another tool. So you
Braco Pobric 6:53
can for granted optimism as well, I will explain to you will explain that to people when we finish small wins.
Malcolm Clark 7:00
It's I think it's important to be like, this is where I am I've never run red, for example, I've never run 10k before. So is it? You know, am I really going to be able to get through this 10k? And if I can, how am I going to be afterwards. So maybe the best thing to do is to start off at a smaller distance, which I know I can cover, which has been maybe it's a challenge, or maybe it's not a challenge, maybe it's just for you to record that I know that I can complete this distance. So we might have to start off with 1k if we've never run before, you know, and then maybe we'll go for 2k or one and a half k so it's getting the small wins along the way, which are evidence that I can work towards this goal or work towards this target. I've got proof because I know okay, yes.
Braco Pobric 7:51
Yes. So what happens in our mind in our body? If we take that one key? Or even here? No, I did make this really small step. What happens after that? One key that was kind of easy for us to do? What do you think happens? You know, our mind and our body?
Malcolm Clark 8:12
We get that reward we get that reward we get that hit of dopamine. Which which is that feel good drug?
Braco Pobric 8:21
Exactly. So get that up in me now we go, Hey, I can't do this tomorrow. I can't on you know, 1.5k or whatever it is 1.2 And we just little by little bit a small wins we build that. Is this something I assume this is something that you are started already work your you will be working with your clients in, in your coaching arena, which is a sport as well as, you know, other other other areas, right?
Malcolm Clark 8:51
Yes, yeah, it will be because I think and obviously, you'll know, there's always the chance of when people start something new and they can be like all of us, we can be very excited to get into it and maybe even overeager. So we may want to just go for this and go for that and keep and it's almost like Well, let's take it slowly. Let's get the small wins and build it up slowly. So, you know, like I said, there's the evidence, we've got the know we've got that staying power because we don't want to burn and get ourselves out straight away. So we it's I will be going over the small wins will I think it keeps us in check and keeps us you know, in line steadily to focus on the path I need to get to.
Braco Pobric 9:36
Yes, yes. So now now we're playing this to people. Let's now move to you mentioned grounded optimism. And I'm thinking let's stick with the same example that you gave you know somebody is running this monster understand Kay. How about that grounded optimism help with that? So and I just want to say you're not alone. and just say, Yes, of course I can do this this is it, how will grounded instead of just say everything will be fine? How will grounded optimism help instead of just optimism?
Malcolm Clark 10:13
Like what you said there's because it's usually optimism we hear about, I think, in general, you hear about optimism. And I think what goes well, in my head, when I first heard of the optimism, it's a case of no think positively think as positively as you can and get this done and get that done. But Is that realistic? Is that realistic for you, as a person? Doesn't matter about your friends or your family? Is it realistic for you to achieve that in whatever timeframe or whatever way you set out for you, yourself to be? So with a grounded optimism? It's, if I do that now, or I do, how will it affect me? You know, how am I really within my capability to do this? Or get this done now?
Braco Pobric 11:00
Right, so let's, let's explain to folks a little bit grounded optimism. So basically, we are looking, let's say you want to run a 10k. Right, and you know, that you have never, you know, you're never accomplished 10k. But then you can look back and say, six years ago, I accomplished I don't know 7k. And the reason I did that is because I did this, this, this, this and that. And you look at all the actions that you did years ago. And now, you know, if you take all these actions, you will reach 7k. Right? And all you need to do is now to take more actions to reach that 10k. Is that something how you would apply this with your clients?
Malcolm Clark 11:46
Yeah, exactly. From that sort of perspective, because it's it's the you've got the evidence in the bank, or there's the evidence of how it's been done before. And, you know, it can be applied again. So it's, and I think it's, it's no, it's extremely important to like you're saying, Keep grounded with it and not get caught up in being overly positive. Can I say with it, or overly ambitious with it, because I think that's where, again, you allow yourself to be to get disheartened if you've pushed yourself too hard. And suddenly, or you try to achieve too much without maybe being equipped to do it, or maybe being ready to do it. So.
Braco Pobric 12:33
Right. So I know, it only makes sense what you said, because keep people keep talking about positivity and optimism, but you really have to be careful because just being overly optimistic, right, or, or overly positive, if you will, sometimes it will put us in trouble. Sometimes it will put us in trouble. So we really have to be, we only have to be careful with this. And that's why, you know, when we talk about positive psychology, a lot of folks just think about our okay, you know, just need to think positive and everything will be fine. And that's really not what we're talking about here. You mentioned another tool that you use in your life. You mentioned gratitude. And, and I'm curious, how does create? What do you do specifically? And how did you have an example? How did it help you to transform anything in your life
Malcolm Clark 13:36
I think of gratitude to me, I very much use it. So much just step by step during the day in the way of, for example, with manners to people and appreciate in it could be the very smallest thing which could be taken for granted. If, for example, if someone has gone out of their way, even if it's just to hold a say, even if it's just to hold the door open for me, the all these little things, and I'm generally thankful that I've been considered, you know, they're considered to maybe hold on for an extra 10 seconds instead, let the door shut or, you know, and little things like that. They, it's, for me, it's it's important to sort of realize and be appreciative of that you could be a firm and it's something I taught to teach my kids a lot and it's be thankful for everything you give them be thankful for. I think it humbles us and I think it makes us appreciate where we are in life or what we're doing in life and no, it's that sort of sense it's very it's very in every step I try and sort of use a gratitude so for me I don't even see it as something necessarily to do with like the sports or with anything whatsoever. It is for me it's a everyday occurrence with with things
Braco Pobric 14:59
i I think that's really the key, where I see people, either struggle or federal or make a mistake. You know, we did in the beginning, say, hey, tools and set of tools and toolbox, because that's really how we call them. But, but certain things such as gratitude should really be a way of living. It is not just going to apply the tool of gratitude. It's about way of living, but, but also to get to that point, to get to that point, yes, we need to start applying some of these tools and really create a habit so that we can live with more gratitude, right? It's a process, it doesn't just happen for some people who really haven't really practiced that before.
Malcolm Clark 15:48
Right? That's probably Yeah, that's that's very much more, you know, you've explained it so much better in the way of it's a way of living. And I think that's the sort of key parts with and I like to journal and with that it's been Alexa kicking in right there.
Braco Pobric 16:15
Alexa dogs, you know, I have my Alexa sometimes picks up and Google picks up, nobody, just tell her Hey, Alexa, just please let us know what kind of
Malcolm Clark 16:23
book yet right? Give us a minute, Alexa? I am saying. So with a journal in sorry, I like to kind of just write down a couple of things that I'm grateful during the day. And that helps for on the days, you know, the space, if we don't have a perfect day, we don't have a perfect day, every day. No, but I do always believe that there's brains of goodness that we can take out of every day. We may not want to, we may want to just be like, Oh, this has been awful. I'm going to write this day off. But there's usually one or two things or even three things that we could think, Well, that went better than I thought or, you know, maybe that wasn't as bad as I thought it was. And I think this all counts and helps. Because it, you know is it shows us that there's always something to be grateful. If we really want to find Yes.
Braco Pobric 17:13
Do you do that at the end of the day? Or how do you do your gratitude journal.
Malcolm Clark 17:18
So I do I journal in the morning, like what I want to do, and what I'd like to achieve, but at the end of the end of the day, then I will write the things that I'm grateful for the things that went well. Oh, nice, nice. Yeah. So I can reflect at the end of the day on everything. Because
Braco Pobric 17:37
I like it at the end of the day, I do the same thing. Because I think because at the end of the day, we usually think of things that we did not accomplish, really thinks of bad things that happened that day. So if we force ourselves and create this habit of journaling, you know, three, and just for the audience do may not be familiar with this, it's basically just a very simple thing to write down three good things, you're grateful for that day. There are different variations of this exercise. But if you just quickly spend the two minutes, three good things that happen that day, and there are million things, actually, that we should be grateful for, from Hey, I woke up to, hey, I can walk, I can take a shower, you know, I can eat and all these things that some people cannot do. We don't think about it. And most people don't think until something happens to them. Right? And then they so let's start thinking now. And hopefully nothing will ever happen to us. But this is what creates that appreciation and gratitude for what we have and who we are. Cool. So we mentioned the small wins, we mentioned a grounded optimism, which was based on effects rather than just everything will be fine. And now we talked about gratitude and how that can really help us go through the day and really become even, you know more happier and improve our overall well being. Is there one thing you might have mentioned you would like to mention sorry? That you apply and maybe maybe like some specific transformation example, if you will.
Malcolm Clark 19:23
Off the top of the HIPAA compliant now
Braco Pobric 19:26
it's okay. Yeah, I know you do so many things. Let me ask you this. When you I know you are you, you exercise a lot, you go out you you run you do, how did you create like going back? How did you create these routines and what made you because really being physically in a good shape is the key. And I don't mean you know, I'm not the athlete, but exercise every day. Right? So what would you suggest to folks who, again, who are not athletes, but they need To be in a better shape for any it's not just physical shape. This is physical and mental this whole being
Malcolm Clark 20:08
me, I think you're, you know, what is your wife, your big wise important? You know, What is your reason for doing it? Yeah, I think that's, that's a huge thing. And that again, that's something that applies to anything. It's like, Why? Why are you doing it? What's your motivation?
Braco Pobric 20:25
So here's, here's a fourth tool that you just mentioned. So that's a big why finding the reason and there is usually a, there is a why, for almost everything that we do, there's reason that kids go, why they give the minister or why you asked to go why, right. And there's the subconscious mind who really wants to get the full picture. And as you mentioned, for the exercise, my big why was I didn't, you know, exercise for years, and I stopped. And then my big why to start again, about 10 years ago was I wanted to be around my son and my grandkids as long as I can. Back then I didn't have grandkids but I you know, I do now. So there was a big why still keep this is it, this is still my big wide for my everyday exercise.
Malcolm Clark 21:18
With me, it was very much like, again, it's in relation to his love of my kids, I was very, I wanted to be an example I fit in, I wanted to be an example of sort of fitness and even protection, I mean, that it's, it's, I very much wanted them to see me as a source that could protect them physically as well as sort of mentally in the way of no look out for them in any sort of way needed. And with sports. For example, there's times I've trained and my boys have sat in a window, and they've watched me exercise and they've copied some of the moves. And it really sort of, not only do I feel like I can physically protect them, it once I realized it was really putting on a good example for a man, because my boy is one of them's extremely sporty, and you have one more play when he wants and it for me, it's setting a good example. And then I can even say that way forever, as well. It's like, I wanted to be I guess it's kind of like you fit for life, you know, I wanted to be fit enough to be able to perform at my best. So if that's when my children or if that's just in everyday life, it's, you know, it's something I wanted to do, because it went from originally just wanting to be physically strong and have big muscles. But, you know, that's very sort of superficial, you know, it's, yeah, it goes a lot deeper than that. And it's, it's to be fit enough to maintain life as well as I can. So yes,
Braco Pobric 22:48
and usually if it doesn't go deeper, then it doesn't last long. It's that's that's what I've seen. What's there is there like one, you know, final advice to folks who would like to maybe learn a little bit more about positive psychology or who still don't know much about it, or the one final advice you would like to give them
Malcolm Clark 23:11
a ton of it will count as advice, but it's, it's what's taken me down the road. And it's which was brought me to know you as well as I have, which I'm grateful for and that is don't be scared of the worst psychology. Now, the reason I say that is because for many years, psychology was just a clever person speaking for me. And I'm thinking maybe I think that way, there's surely going to be maybe a couple of 100, maybe a couple of 1000 people that are even more that feel the same way.
Braco Pobric 23:46
I just had a student the other day reached out to me absolutely exact same reason, exact same reason. I'm really happy. You mentioned this.
Malcolm Clark 23:57
And it's, yeah, it's huge. Because if you don't mind me sort of saying, I'm not trying to embarrass you or put you on the spot you allowed. For me, you taught the psychology in a way that I could understand, and many other people can understand. But it was so in depth and so much to it. And you've allowed and taught people to express it in a way that works for them individually. From that that's where I've been able to grow in, get confidence and create my own sort of vision with it. Because it hasn't been you haven't taught it in a certain way that this is how you teach it. This is how you teach other people. You've given it to us to go and express it in our way. And that has been the key. And that's why I say about don't be scared of psychology, because real psychology is teaching it from your own perspective. I mean, as long as you've got funded fundamentals covered and whatnot, then go and teach it for your eyes. And that's what you've allowed, so it's available for that.
Braco Pobric 24:57
Thank you so so much I again I I'm happy you mentioned this because even folks who are, you know, even folks from academia, do respect this, because what we do is, you know, what I tried to do is really just give a very practical tools. And then, you know, have you folks figure out a way, and at the same time, have a researcher study and give you a ton of books and research and material so that yes, you can go as deep as you want. But at the same time, not to be scared of, you know, oh, I have read all the research papers, it's really all about application. It's all about, you know, living the life that we can kind of like, help ourselves and help other people. And, you know, I always say, if you look at it, a lot of these tools, and even what we mentioned today, it's really not much new. This is you know, our parents, grandparents, you told us, you know, your thoughts to be grateful. Always. I understand. There you go. Now, Siri talkie wasn't Alexa, I know your understanding. So I have to teach a little bit about positive psychology. Anyway, such a pleasure, Malcolm, I know, we'll get time to chat about your business, because that's really important to go over, you know, business and happiness. But till then, thank you so much, my friend. And I will talk to you soon, buddy. Thanks so much.
Malcolm Clark 26:26
Thank you very much for having me on a brand. So thank you. Pleasure. Thank you.
Braco Pobric 26:37
So my guest today is Mark complic. Malcolm is actually my students who graduated, received personal psychology master coach certification, and he is the owner and founder of your positive coaching company. So hey, Malcolm, how are you, bud?
Malcolm Clark 26:57
Good. Thank you. How are you?
Braco Pobric 26:59
I'm doing great. I'm doing great. The one thing I wanted to talk to you today about is the course creation process. And the reason I wanted to do it is because I have a lot of students who really struggle. I personally think it's simple. But I've been doing this for years. But I have a lot of people who struggle, almost like to get started. Or to finish it. And I know, for you, I think it was like, you know, from zero to three months or something like that. Here's my first course. Was it about that timeframe?
Malcolm Clark 27:35
It was about that timeframe? Yeah, it was. So
Braco Pobric 27:38
to help folks really get started, you know, how do I create my first online course? I like to go over the process from Hey, you didn't have anything you decided you make a decision, you made the decision? And what what was the first step? What did you do?
Malcolm Clark 28:02
Well, for me, it come it come in the way of it just felt the right time to do the course because and by that is because I've been putting content on Facebook and Instagram. So I was doing like little short recordings in regards to what I do and what I talk about. And you actually come to a point of Do you know what I think a course, is maybe the next step. So that's sort of where the course come into, into mind. And actually remember, if you remember, he sort of said, don't help. I'll be going back now for a year or whatever. He sort of said, what I consider a course. And at the time, I said, Man, and that's something I definitely wouldn't do. But it just ended up coming across as and the next step in progression of what I want to do to help my business.
Braco Pobric 28:59
So I think if I recall what you started is yet you said, Well, I'm really not ready for the course. But I know we always talked about people, well, you know, 20 for the course, but you got to start recording, right? Because you can just, you know if you don't feel comfortable with the camera and so on. Yes, it's gonna take much longer, but 30 seconds, a minute video, who cares? He goes on Facebook, Instagram, right? So I know. That's how you started. Right? Right. Right. Okay. So you started with this little, you know, a minute or two videos. And I know like really, really cool. advices what you did is and I think a lot of people may want to like you know, copy that thing. You didn't just come on camera and talk you always say like very specific advice. I can administer to you told people exactly what to do, which was very powerful. And you didn't sell anything. That's another key. Right? You're just there to help you because that's what we talk a lot about. Right? We are here to serve, the sale will come. But we are here to serve first. So that's what you did. Okay, so you had a bunch of these videos. And and then you you were talking about your you were working on the outline, as far as I recall to walk you through that process? How did you do that? And how did you put these videos, and I just want to make make clear one thing. I do know also, when I'm really proud, what you did is it is absolutely fine for people to go to market places and do it there. But you actually start your own website and you put course, right there. And that's where you're going to have a coaching and everything in one place. So let's talk about that a little bit. How did you decide to go with with? Or have your own platform? And what does that do for you today? And what will they do for you in the future?
Malcolm Clark 31:03
Alright, so with having my own platform it, it helps having everything in one place. Cuz there's, you know, I'm not the most tech savvy person. So I mean it, having everything in one place made things esia in regards to creating the course and having everything I needed together to make it you know, to put the course out there and reach out for content, no contact with people and whatnot. So having a platform at least it's I knew where everything was, I knew where I was never know, everything I wanted to create was going to be in that one place. For people who are no good at tech core on that good tech, is extremely helpful.
Braco Pobric 31:52
Guy and full disclosure. I know, this was on Kajabi. And full disclosure, I am partnered with Kajabi. So you know,
Malcolm Clark 32:01
fosmid? I mentioned Kajabi or anything? So that's why I hadn't so yeah, no,
Braco Pobric 32:05
that's fine. That's fine giving full disclosure. But that's not really it's, you know, whatever platform is out there, murky, or something that will give you a long term option, right? Because I see a lot of people make a mistake by, you know, going on one little platform, starting from whatever that is, that's not mentioned the tool, so it doesn't really matter. But then they realize I need this and then I need this. And then I need to add this. And it basically takes a long time. You actually did you started, right.
Malcolm Clark 32:38
I was I was I was modeling people. So I was doing that I had bits all over the place.
Braco Pobric 32:43
So oh, okay, so this is really important. So you had the bits all over the place. And now you and then you combine you put everything into one place. Okay, right. Okay. So let's come back then to the course creation. You had some of these videos, then you started creating longer videos, right? And then what did you do you use some of the existing material, and then you created a new one, when you look at like, the bigger picture for the course. Is that correct?
Malcolm Clark 33:13
Right. Yeah. So it's with the course I was in Luxor, by the way all the videos on the course are all I say freestyled. There's nothing I haven't gone off any script or anything. It's all gone off from stuff that I learn. And then I put it out there the way I use it. And the way I understand it, which goes back to what I've said before about, it's important to express positive psychology through your own perspective, I think as long as it's obviously sticking to guidelines and or, you know, to what is actually right and or what is actually not making up stuff. It's just the way I if that makes sense. And so yeah, yeah, I,
Braco Pobric 34:04
I think that's really the key in course creation, especially the way that, you know, we want to do that, yes, there are people out there who go out Google things, learn things and teach. That's not us. I know, that's not you. That's not me. That's not what I teach people. It has to be from the heart. It has to be from your experience, for your knowledge, from your research from your path. It has to be from you. It's got to be authentic you, right. That's how we teach. We don't want people just to go and learn something and teach. That's not that's even if it makes money, you know, definitely we do not recommend that. So, okay, so So you created you had a little outline, then you were moving these videos around. Were you clear in the very beginning how this is going to look like
Malcolm Clark 34:58
oh no No, I wasn't. I wasn't it's I had a rough idea of what I wanted to do. But I mean, it, there was a lot of chopping and changing and sort of doing. I say try, I say trying different things. It was more, you know, for example, it could have been the location of where I've shot some videos and the quality of them and whatnot. I kind of I knew the theme, but I didn't know how I was going to put that all into place. But
Braco Pobric 35:27
what was the team? And we didn't, you know, we didn't talk about that. But what was the team? And what do you
Malcolm Clark 35:34
teach?
Malcolm Clark 35:36
So with the course, I've combined two sort of elements together, and it's, I say, two elements, it's really two parts of the same thing. So we've got, obviously positive psychology in your life, which is the first part of the course. And that's where I'm talking about the perma model. And I talk about gratitude. And we've got some other tools to talk about in there. And then the second part of the course, is taking positive steps. And that is the resilience base part of positive psychology. Where, yeah, so that's more the resilience bass part of it, and I'm out walking them. So that was to combine the activity or the exercise of walking with resilience. Because I like the idea of sort of show and tell and sort of just talk about it, explain how I can make it relevant to the exercise of walking.
Braco Pobric 36:40
So I think that was the key, because you didn't just teach people what to do. You show them what to do, and you give them the real, you know, exercises, if you will, what would you do? Going out there, you know, running, exercising, whatever, recording that and show people actually how they can do it as well. Is that correct?
Malcolm Clark 37:05
That's correct. I mean, I mean, it's anyone who's fortunate to be able to walk, I think it's something we really should make the most of, and I also think walking is the most basic form of exercise we can do. Yes. And a bit like with the saying, you know, you can't walk or run before you crawl, it's very much, you know, you can't go on to run in or doing many other forms of exercise. Without the walking process. So for me, it's a basic place to start off with, again, for people that are able to walk and yes, I didn't like the idea of then combining these aspects to aspects of resiliency. So where, for example, talks about support, support networks, or social networks, whatever you want to call it.
Malcolm Clark 37:59
Talk about us, we got we got the support networks we've got.
Braco Pobric 38:10
While you're thinking, let me ask you this. What was your biggest obstacle? We all go through and what was your biggest obstacle of you know, creating that course? During the creation process, and maybe maybe let's even go back to a year ago, whenever you started thinking of that, and then finally maybe took a year to like, say, Okay, now this is it, I'm doing it. What was your big obstacle? Before we even got started creating this particular course, that you did it in couple of months? What was the biggest obstacle before and what did kick the say, I'm doing now this is it. I turned on the camera I started recording Well, the big
Malcolm Clark 38:56
the biggest obstacle with I mean, like I said, when I it looks, it just felt natural to do that. When I was like, okay, you know, the next step is of course that just come from obviously, like I said, after I've done the little videos and whatnot, but with putting the course together, I think the like time was a even though I managed to do it in maybe three months times was still the big obstacle there. Because I originally once I started going off what I love this course done in a couple of weeks.
Braco Pobric 39:28
So so let's let's talk about it for a minute. And I just want to I want to say this, you have a full time job. With your full time job. You have a really tough schedule. I just happen to know that because you and I work together. You have a tough schedule, you have a shift that changes all the time. You don't know if you're going to be Daytime, nighttime, half day, right. And that certainly was the biggest obstacle a lot of people don't have that. A lot of people have, you know, nine to five job. So it's much easier for them to do than it was for you
Malcolm Clark 40:00
So that that balance was, you know, it was a big obstacle because it's very much like, Oh, my days off. Yeah, I may have time to do it. And then obviously, there's still time with the family that is a priority. And then also, when you're back at work, you have to go back into work mode, and then it's when I'm off work again, it's like, okay, maybe this this set of days off work, I can't get as much done as I want. So that sort of built up levels of sort of frustration. And is this ever going to get done? And, you know, it's so did you,
Braco Pobric 40:34
you just said something that a lot of people go through? Did you? You just said, I'll never get done? Did you go through this?
Malcolm Clark 40:43
Yeah, so I did. It's like,
Braco Pobric 40:45
it's interesting, right? And then, and how did you overcome that? Because I have a students who start something, and then they go to the towel, never get done, never get done, go to downward spiral, and they really never get it done. How did you overcome that? What happens is say, No, I will get it done. Why are you so
Malcolm Clark 41:08
small wins, using small wins? Now, the way I was doing that with this is because I say for example, so my day off? Before I'd have my first day off, he would be like, Okay, I'm going to get six videos done today. And that was it's not as easy as it come across, maybe get the six videos done already been edited and whatnot. And then it would get this disheartening, or hardly did anything can it's like, well, let me just start off by saying, I'm going to get two videos done. Yes. And then getting them two videos done was achievable. And it's a, you know, I've got the proof in front of me that I've made progress. So then if I was able to get a fair video done, it's like, wow, I've gone above and beyond what what I was planning. So instead of looking at it all, there's a big Jigsaw in one go, I really started breaking it down into small wins. And it made a big difference. So then it was like, Okay, what I'm finding now is me don't get in to videos done. On my days off, bore maybe. So it's like, okay, if I then put that together and weeks over the next couple of months, I may get the course done by this day.
Braco Pobric 42:22
So that's the key. So and it's also the action, you were taking consistently. Actions, right, you were persistent, you were focused to get it done. Even when you got out of focus, you came back, right? Came back and you completed it. So what would you suggest to folks who struggle with, you know, you're going to do this, then then maybe create one video then month by the second one, then, you know, just talk to one of my students yesterday? And she said, Oh, you know, year ago, it's been a year I created a course, it was a big course. And then I did a product launch and everything. And then I sold three courses.
Malcolm Clark 43:14
And she stopped. I said, Yes. So D That's amazing. That's great.
Braco Pobric 43:20
Why did a year later she forgot all about she moved to other things. She moved to other things. So how about, you know, sticking to one thing and make that perfect? Don't keep jumping from one to another? I mean, you stick to that course until you complete it. Right?
Malcolm Clark 43:39
Right. Yeah. 100% It was a start to the course completed, but it's what I found important was to not be attached to it. Hmm. Because I mean, what do you mean by because I started off, and I was it was almost like, all I was thinking of when I'm doing the course was stressing about getting it done, right. And then when I'm back at work, thinking about I need to, you know, think about my days when I'm off when I can do the course. And I think it was, you know, as letting it become as important as it is, to me, I was letting it become almost like a life source in my life, and it's like, detach myself from the course. And that also helped with, like the results of the course. Because if I know me putting out a course, I can't decide to decide to take the course or who you know what, you know, it's a case of, I've put this out because it's something I want to share with the world. Now people will share it, people who want to receive that it's there for them to pick up to, to go over and look at, you know, so but I can't have a bearing on the results. As such, I can put I can make the course as good as I can and put in my heart and soul into it. But it's up to people who know how they want to receive that. And that sort of helped me cuz I haven't like said to myself, this No, I need 100,000 people to take this course and for it to be a success, you know?
Braco Pobric 45:08
Yes, one more thing that you did. And, again, I see a lot of students struggling with this. And what you did is I recall very clearly you and I had discussion. And I asked you, what is your expectations? You know, how many students and how fast do you want this to be, you know, in a shape where you wanted to meet him from a sales perspective? And you said,
Malcolm Clark 45:33
What did you tell me? You recall, I can't remember off the top of the top.
Braco Pobric 45:40
And you said, you said to me, no, I'm, if I'm going to focus on to complete this, get it the best I can, right, there are going to give myself you know, six months, maybe a year to like, really start making money and start selling this. Now, I know a lot of people don't want to hear this, because they just want to click Course and start selling it day one, right? It maybe they can, let's be honest. But there are a lot of other circumstances around it. It's possible, but there are a lot of things, but but to be realistic. And that's what were your, your your what what you did really well. Right to put a realistic expectations, consider that you have a full time job, because that you have all these shifts going on. Considering that you need to do more marketing and more sales and more, right social media, more community, a lot of these things need to happen to make it a big time. So is that I mean, if there is one recommendation that I learned from you, that I would tell your students that would be that?
Malcolm Clark 46:46
Yeah, I do recall that. Now you're saying and it's very much if like you said, if if you're not putting in, you know, all your hopes and everything on that in the way of I need to make a return on this right now, then don't put that pressure on yourself, put, you know, allow yourself, you know, allow, allow it time to grow and develop and, you know, don't you know, just don't rush don't feel the need to rush or project the product and let it take its time sort of thing. And I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm in this for the long run. So yes, yeah. And that's what simple, I mean it for the long run, and it's I'm not expecting success overnight. And I think that's an important thing. And that's not because I'm not passionate, because the passion is there. Leave me the passion and the hunger there. But it's, I mean it for the long run, it's
Braco Pobric 47:42
I think that's really the key, the key messages, are you in the long run, or you want to make quick money for quick money, don't talk to Malcolm and I, that's not what we don't help people make quick money. But if you seriously, but if you long run that this is the approach you take. And, you know, I had last week, I had really comprehensive three for three days training with some of the really, really amazing experts. And almost everyone said the same thing, right? You take that one program, you take 12 to 18 months, at least to make it right. Right, it doesn't, don't keep jumping back and forth with a million things, focus, do the one thing, do it right. And you will, you will find a customer as long as again, your heart is there, your passion is there. And your goal is to surf. Right.
Malcolm Clark 48:40
And I say one other quick thing in regards to, like the course with me is like, what I found important is get understanding the balance between it being good, have good quality and have your best but also not trying to hit perfection. And the reason I say that is because you know, I can put my hand up and say I did some videos and then redid them and then read on them. And I mean, somewhere the lines got to be told because I think everyone could pick apart, pick holes in everything they've done. Yes. I mean, you know, I could sit there and be like, You know what, that's not good enough. So I need to do it again. And eventually it's like, I'm never going to be satisfied with it. So it's a thing you know, we know when something we've done something good. And then it's kind of like I say get it out there and detach yourself from it to a certain degree because otherwise you're going to keep poking away at perfection. That's the way I feel when it's that that's where it gets dangerous because no it's never going to get out there.
Malcolm Clark 49:47
Agree. Thank you so
Braco Pobric 49:49
much. That's really one of the greatest advices just get it out there. Give it a shot. See what happens. You can always make it better. You know, I know I have some videos that are 10 years old. You really look you know, terrible, right? But people still connect with me by watching them. You it's not about video quality. Yes, yes it is video quality audio quality everything, but it's really about connection. It's negative. Yeah, you've been through I want to learn from often, you know, he's somebody I can connect with. Right I get his message that's really the key. So the key Sunako thank you so much, buddy. This is really great. I wish you good luck with that course and with your with your your positive coaching.
Malcolm Clark 50:35
Thank you. Thanks,
Braco Pobric 50:36
thanks. I'll talk to you soon.
Malcolm Clark 50:39
Speak soon. Take care.
Braco Pobric 50:41
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